mitt romney, like him, nice guy, good family man, great picture of a family. but he really was hesitant to talk about marriage. his record didn't match with his positions he adopted. you go back and tell me the last time a moderate beat a liberal in a national election. >> well, you would have to go back probably to richard nixon. if you look at gerald ford and ronald regan was clearly a social conservative and put it front and center. george bush in his first term was and then in the second term was defeated. bob dole, john mccain, mitt romney. >> case closed. >> maybe that's not the right way, but -- boy that's the way the media has portrayed it. >> let me add a little color commentary there. let's go back to when you were a candidate for president. >> i knew you were going to bring that up, that painful memory of where that went. >> well we are sitting here because you had a platform that people connected with. you had a campaign with little resources. you fast-forward a few years to the candidate who had a similar message in this last election cycle, rick